The Eat at Joe's Kawai K5000 Message Board Digest System 4.0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ K5000 System 4.0 Saturday, 28-Nov-98 09:45:06 205.188.198.178 writes: I found System 4 for the K5000W/S/R along with the System 4 supplemental disk at the Japanese site. www.kawai.co.jp/emi/k5000_download.html Has anyone tied sys 4 yet. Is there any documentation available about what the changes are? Kelly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: K5000 System 4.0 Saturday, 28-Nov-98 12:53:31 130.67.64.199 writes: Thanks, Kelly. I tried downloading and installing the ver. 4.0 opsys file, but when I press F8 and turn on my K5KR, the screen says "FILE IN? ERR 08h". Anyone got further than this? I have tried using a diskette formated by the K5K, downloading directly to this diskette, etc., but to no avail. Advice solicited. BTW, does this version from the Japanese site have English text on the screens? Tore ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Re: K5000 System 4.0 Sunday, 29-Nov-98 00:46:24 209.154.80.67 writes: Just downloaded version 4.0 directly to floppy. It loaded no problem to my k5kR. Has anyone yet determined the new features or bug fixes? Havn't spent much time with it yet, just wondering if the changes were obvious to anyone else. Francis Parsons ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ System 4.00 Sounds Saturday, 28-Nov-98 19:16:47 205.188.193.46 writes: I am a fairly new user to the k5000s and I LOVE the machine. I just wanted to say that the presets I heard from version 3.00 american version were pretty good, but I just downloaded the japanese version 4.00 and the sounds are MUCH better. I just ordered the wizoo book, so hopefully I'll be making my own sounds too. TechnoGOD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: System 4.00 Sounds Tuesday, 01-Dec-98 01:44:04 209.214.60.40 writes: I think the new sounds (from the new system installation) are more "headphone-y" than the V3 sounds. I wouldn't give up those V3 sounds, though! ;-) Also, I downloaded the Version-4 'Supplemental' disk, and it has aa bunch of other sounds on it, plus re-cuts of the three demos. (Switch on K5000 with disk in drive while holding down F1 key). Also, the Phrase Sampler presents these new sounds (using the same phrases as on V3, it seems) -- with 'Supplemtal' disk in drive, press and hold down the two up & down 'Section' buttons to the lower left of the display (on an 'S'). I don't know if they added any more functionality to those buttons, though. Terry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Version 4 features/fixes? Sunday, 29-Nov-98 00:50:18 209.154.80.67 writes: Anyone yet determined what enhancements/new features/bug fixes are in version 4.0 ? Havn't spent much time with it yet, just happy that it's here. A lot have mentioned timing slop with the arpeggiator. anyone tested this yet? Any info is appreciated. Francis Parsons ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Re: Version 4 features/fixes? Monday, 30-Nov-98 00:08:43 152.163.197.59 writes: for one I think you can use L4 to turn the effects back on [not just turn them off] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Version 4 features/fixes? Monday, 30-Nov-98 04:56:59 194.172.230.108 writes: *** In the Harmonic Envelope Multiview menu, the harmonic select buttons (L3,L4) now have an auto-repeat function. *** In Multi edit, you can set the key zones of the sections by holding a button and playing a note. ( g r o h @ i r t . d e ) Jens Groh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ New 'link' patch bank? Monday, 30-Nov-98 23:47:06 208.254.224.166 writes: I noticed another difference. Press the 'Single' bank select button a couple of times and you enter the 'link' bank. Not sure what it's for but I think you can re-arrange patches from various banks into one location somehow. Anyone figure this one out? Kenji ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: New 'link' patch bank? Tuesday, 01-Dec-98 01:33:33 209.214.60.40 writes: Yeah, cool!!! That 'Link' function, when activated by pressing the Single button a couple times, presents a new active button, R2, that turns on and off an 'edit' mode for the link. In edit mode, you select what sound/patch you want to go with the displayed link # up top. Turn off edit, and now the patches will sequence according to the link progressive settings. How very nice! Terry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Re: New 'link' patch bank? Tuesday, 01-Dec-98 05:21:07 130.67.69.102 writes: Does this work on the K5000R too? My Single button just flips between A-bank and D-bank. Or do you press it in some special mode/screen? Tore ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ System 4.0 and Macintosh Sunday, 29-Nov-98 14:51:30 205.188.192.177 writes: I down loaded the file right to a K5000R formatted disk. When loading got the FILE IN? ERR 08h message. Has anybody loaded this in who also has a mac. Any help will be much appreciated. Kelly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: System 4.0 and Macintosh Sunday, 29-Nov-98 15:23:33 130.67.9.176 writes: I use Win95, but I finally made it work in this way: I put the old system 3.0 diskette in the disk drive and asked for a DISKCOPY to a new diskette. I then copied K5000SR.SYS from the disk to that new diskette. Since this procedure does not involve the use of DOS, maybe you can try similar operations on the Mac. Tore ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: System 4.0 and Macintosh (WORKS!!!) Sunday, 29-Nov-98 15:32:24 206.170.210.232 writes: 1) Make a *duplicate* of the system 3.0 disk with shrinkwrap or disk copy. 2)Download DIRECTLY to the disk with Netscape, replacing the old file. (did not work with Exploder, er, Explorer) If this disk does not work or the download craps out, start over with a fresh copy (i.e. at step 1) This finally worked for me on the 8th or 9th try. I think the important thing is to make a fresh copy of sys 3.0 each time. The mac puts a hidden file in exactly the spot that the K%K is looking for the system. That's why you gotta use a system disk copy and replace the old file. P.S.-this does NOT work by replacing the file in the Finder. You MUST download directly to the disk. Do I make myself clear?!? ;^) --Pablo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: System 4.0 and Macintosh It works Sunday, 29-Nov-98 20:26:22 152.163.207.182 writes: I tried Pablos method above and it worked. Kelly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ OS Version 4.0 Won't load on my K5000S... Sunday, 29-Nov-98 19:06:11 209.150.39.91 writes: I DL'd ver. 4.0 from the Kawai Japan Website, but cannot get it to load into my K5000S. I DL'd it directly to a floppy, but no dice, mI keep getting an error message asking if a file is available ("FILE IN? ERR 08h") Anyone have any suggestions? TIA, HolShot ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: OS Version 4.0 Won't load on my K5000S... Sunday, 29-Nov-98 22:15:34 152.173.184.189 writes: 1. download file to HD (haven't tried direct to floppy) 2. format floppy in K5000 3. exit to dos 4. copy file to floppy while in dos this should solve your problem. good luck! ashok ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Re: OS Version 4.0 Won't load on my K5000S... Monday, 30-Nov-98 03:18:05 166.55.5.217 writes: I had the same problem. The copy method doesn't matter - the disk just has to be formatted using the K5000 instead of Windows. Kenji ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Re: Re: OS Version 4.0 Won't load on my K5000S... Monday, 30-Nov-98 10:13:15 208.133.160.181 writes: Thanks for the suggestion. However, I did some experimenting while waiting for replies. I tried doing a diskcopy of the original system disk to a blank floppy and then DLing Ver. 4.0 directly to the diskette using Netscape. That worked! So, I guess there is more than one way to skin a cat. Thanks again ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Re: Re: OS Version 4.0 Won't load on my K5000S... Tuesday, 01-Dec-98 01:18:03 209.214.60.40 writes: Re: "Thanks for the suggestion. However, I did some experimenting while waiting for replies. I tried doing a diskcopy of the original system disk to a blank floppy and then DLing Ver. 4.0 directly to the diskette using Netscape. That worked! So, I guess there is more than one way to skin a cat." For some reason, simply formatting a diskette in the K5000S and copying off the hard drive OR downloading to the disk didn't work. Doing as described above did work, except I didn't have to download to the (System 3) system copy, but only had to copy the new .sys file over to it, replacing the one existing there. If any of you don't know where the diskcopy program is (most reliable in DOS form, supposedly), it should be hanging out in your Windows/Command directory. Just thought that might be of help. Terry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ System 4.0 questions/comments Tuesday, 01-Dec-98 08:43:07 164.107.171.51 writes: After installing system 4.0, the first thing I noticed was how weak the new presets were. The ones on system 3.0 were a lot better--I loaded my old A and D banks back up almost immediately. The other thing I noticed is that sometimes I get a blanking out of patch names in some of the patch select menus, and the occasional access to a mysterious "F-bank." Anybody else have these problems? Maybe this is why the Kawai US and Australia sites haven't offered v4.0 for download yet. Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Another Sys 4.0 question Tuesday, 01-Dec-98 10:47:40 206.181.95.194 writes: This may be a silly question, but if I load the 4.0 version from the Japanese site, will the text be in Japanese or English? Thanks all Kris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Another Sys 4.0 question Tuesday, 01-Dec-98 21:05:09 209.215.4.34 writes: English. Terry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is it the 'link' bank? Sunday, 06-Dec-98 23:51:57 166.55.9.59 writes: I think Terry was right about the link bank. It sounds like that is causing the problem that you are encountering. It seems like the 'link' bank is preset for use with the ME-1 memory exansion, and so those blank presets are supposed to be pointers to the E and F banks. I suspect this because on the supplemental disk there are two patch banks called PowrEbnk.kaa and PowrFbnk.kaa. I was hoping for more patches, but unfortunately these banks just contain the System 3.0 patches. Anyways, I don't have a memory expansion unit, and I get lots of blank patches in my link bank. If I press R2 it goes into edit mode. I can then select a patch and then press R2 again to exit edit mode. From then on that link slot will be the one I selected. The problem I see with this is that I haven't found any way to save your link banks, which sucks when you frequently change your patch presets like I do. -Kenji ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Download Version 4 using Internet Explorer Tuesday, 01-Dec-98 17:42:44 198.190.223.98 writes: Format floppy on K5000 go to: http://www.kawai.co.jp/emi/k5000_download.html with pointer on the file you want to download click RIGHT mouse button select "save target as" select "A" drive backspace over the file name, then re-enter the file name, include caps, ie: K5000SR.SYS click on "save" GRXC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Download Version 4 using Internet Explorer Tuesday, 01-Dec-98 19:26:54 194.134.10.13 writes: Thanks. Been everywhere, tried everything, but the Caps did the trick! SoundChaser ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ More bugs than features in System 4.0 for the 'R? Thursday, 03-Dec-98 05:15:04 194.172.230.108 writes: 1. You say that you can switch the effects on again with the L4 button? With my K5000R, I can't. More than that - I even can't switch them off no more! 2. The LINK function? No, it's not there! 3. The spoiled my beautiful "FettFett" patch! Sniff! Now, that's a really stange bug - above a certain note the sound gets an amplitude envelope which I did not program (and which is ugly)! Waiting for version 4.1 ... Jens ( g r o h @ i r t . d e ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Re: More bugs than features in System 4.0 for the 'R? Thursday, 03-Dec-98 21:46:37 207.172.175.175 writes: For the list of bug fixes in system 4. go to http://www.wizoo.com/docs/english/bookservice/k5000.htm john ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: More bugs than features in System 4.0 for the 'R? Tuesday, 08-Dec-98 12:37:30 206.109.6.1 writes: I upgraded to 4.0, turned memory protect off and did a bulk sysex dump to restore all of my patches in Banks A and D. I did a "backup" and turned off the machine. The next day, Bank A was back to the system 4.0 defaults while Bank D was fine. I tried this several times to confirm...Backup would not save Bank A patches. Grrr. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MAC HELP Thursday, 03-Dec-98 10:43:35 204.32.162.181 writes: I tried everything to intall o.s4 on my K5000S... nothing works:( what should I do? I have a Mac 8500 help please Misha ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: MAC HELP Thursday, 03-Dec-98 21:05:58 209.214.60.64 writes: The key seems to be to make sure the filename is in ALL-CAPS, even if you have to edit it to appear that way. Otherwise, a dos-mode disk transfer is all there should be to it. Hope that helps. Terry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: MAC HELP Friday, 04-Dec-98 10:35:54 206.170.209.65 writes: Look at my message further down the page. Do a find for "Pablo". Hope you didn't spend too much time trying to open that DOS window :) --Pablo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ os 4.0 problem Saturday, 05-Dec-98 01:22:59 209.43.47.9 writes: New problem here. I am having the err08h problem. I can resolve this by downloading the 4.0 zip file from the K5000S from http://www.wizoo.com/docs/english/bookservice/k5000.htm. But when it loads it is for the K5000R and I have a K5000S. Therefore, it doesn't work. Whads up wid dat? The Japanese site download doesn't do me any good if I copy it direct to floppy or zip it up and then copy to floppy. GreggA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: os 4.0 problem Saturday, 05-Dec-98 20:51:37 208.255.84.182 writes: I think the way we have found that works is as follows: 1. Format a floppy using the K5000 (not your PC) 2. Download the system from Kawai Japan directly to your floppy disk. 3. Load it in your K5K. It works fine in my K5KS. Is there a reason why you can't download direct to disk? Maybe we can figure something else out. Someone mentioned that it might work if you rename the file to the same name in ALL CAPS. Might give that a shot. Kenji ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: os 4.0 problem Saturday, 05-Dec-98 22:28:32 209.43.49.189 writes: I was able to get to work when I restarted in DOS mode. Beware of the Wizoo sites k5000s 4.0 update download because it is for the k5000r. GreggA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please Repost Mac Instructions Monday, 21-Dec-98 01:12:34 209.142.55.80 writes: Can someone please repost EXACTLY the steps involved in getting the K5000 OS from a web site into the K5000 on a Mac. Can you use stuff-it Deluxe to open the file? Do you use Zipit? Do you have to expand the file directly to the disk? How do I copy my System 3.0 Disk? I have Stuff-it Deluxe and Shinkwrap. Can someone help? Thanks Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Please Repost Mac Instructions Tuesday, 22-Dec-98 14:20:07 209.214.60.71 writes: Do you know how to use the DOS disk-drive emulator on your Mac? (Some early Macs, like the Plus, don't have this feature, but all new ones do.) If so, format a high-density disk on your K5000. The OS at the Japanese Kawai site doesn't need unzipping, but the Wizoo site's do (did they fix the K5K-S download?) Download it as a Binary (not Macbinary) file. Once you get it, simply transfer it to the diskette you formatted however you need to, but make sure the filename is in all capital letters. Place that disk in your K5K, switch it on while holding down the F2 button, and away you go. Terry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------